tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post6438293877618485275..comments2023-12-21T04:19:28.747-06:00Comments on Romantic Suspense Author, Sandra K. Marshall: CensorshipSandyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-31306618429903519172009-06-17T15:40:37.726-05:002009-06-17T15:40:37.726-05:00Emily,
I totally understand what you're talki...Emily,<br /><br />I totally understand what you're talking about and I know the teachers are afraid to do anything and why.<br /><br />First thing, a teacher tries to impose her ideas on her students and before you know it there's a parent up in arms over it. I've seen it happen. Teachers fear for their jobs, and they need those jobs. <br /><br />I agree with you, Emily. I would like to see it like it was back when I was a kid, but it won't happen. <br /><br />Thank you for coming back to me. Both you and Chiron have given me something to think about.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-76390158986338157512009-06-17T15:35:21.124-05:002009-06-17T15:35:21.124-05:00Dear Chiron,
You definitely gave me something to ...Dear Chiron,<br /><br />You definitely gave me something to think about. In my mind, I blamed the woman for the girl's suicide because she was an adult and didn't act like one. I agree with all you have to say, and I believe we should be accountable for our actions when it's hateful. <br /><br />Chiron, I don't know what the answer is.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-58745387022244611212009-06-17T07:35:46.828-05:002009-06-17T07:35:46.828-05:00Hi again.
I know we all feel no one should "...Hi again.<br /><br />I know we all feel no one should "impose their values" on others, but frankly we do it everyday. As a society, we try to make it difficult for young people to obtain tobacco or alcohol, while these products are readily available to adults. We expect the merchants who sell these items to police who buys them and will even prosecute those who sell to minors. <br /><br />We count on the corner convenience store clerk to protect our kids from something we have judged they are not ready for. Yet, we can't expect schools and libraries to protect our kid's minds from material they aren't ready for? <br /><br />I was in a masters program for middle school teachers and it was very disheartening that I couldn't get them to agree that it's a good thing for 12 year olds NOT to have sex. They were very nice people and probably good teachers, but they were scared to death of "imposing their values" on their students. <br /><br />If responsible adults don't "impose their values" on kids, then believe me, popular culture will.EmilyBryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03542349086762747179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-44266215048640608142009-06-17T00:52:24.787-05:002009-06-17T00:52:24.787-05:00Actually, Sandy, while I agree with you in spirit,...Actually, Sandy, while I agree with you in spirit, I still stand by the fact that people need to be accountable for the impact their words and actions have.<br /><br />The mother who used a MySpace account to humilate a girl took actions that led to the girl's suicide. Obviously the girl herself is to blame for she took the action and killed herself but what led to that action? If a person encourages violence is that not something to be held accountable for? I think words have power and while I must state again, quite emphatically, that I do not believe in censorship, I do believe there is too little accountability these days for the impact words and actions have on others.<br /><br />The woman I mentioned had actually gone on the show several times. She decided that her actions were in part lending credibility. She didn't blame Bill for actually putting the gun in someone's hand. However, there is such a thing as mob mentality, is there not? Should a person who incites a riot be held responsible if his or her actions lead to violence? If a child is raised to believe violence against others is okay, for example, is the parent partially responsible if the child is violent? <br /><br />To answer the question, no, I don't think all people holding contrary views are responsible for the violent acts of people with similar views. That's a sharp turn away from my point. What I am speaking of is people being responsible for what they say or do. I was a vegetarian for many years. I am against animal testing. However I would never condone violent acts against animal testing facilities or condone even something like throwing paint on another person for wearing a fur coat. On the other hand, if I gave speeches encouraging people to blow up animal labs, then yes, I would have to accept that there's a chance my speech may have condoned and even encouraged this action. Especially if I had a nightly talk show with a huge following. <br /><br /><br />Thanks for giving me something to think about. Hope I gave you something to consider too.<br /><br />--ChironChironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03350218547511690377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-36065583511162704682009-06-16T19:59:09.017-05:002009-06-16T19:59:09.017-05:00Interesting topic, Sandy. I'm against censorsh...Interesting topic, Sandy. I'm against censorship but do believe children's reading should be monitored. If they're old enough and the material is controversial, then parents can discuss with their children why.<br /><br />When I was in high school, Lady Chatterly's Lover and Catcher in the Rye were banned. Interestingly enough, when my son was in middle school, Catcher in the Rye was on his reading list. He laughed so much while reading it, his older sister decided she needed to read it and then I did too. Never understood why it was banned nor why Lady Chatterly's Lover was, either. Maybe it was just part of the times.<br /><br />Remember the movie in the 60s or 70s where the government collected all the books and burned them? Can't think of the title.<br /><br />Linda<br />www.lindalaroque.comLinda LaRoquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16672522522233696282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-85134522930514465512009-06-16T16:04:06.726-05:002009-06-16T16:04:06.726-05:00Chiron,
I believe that people should be accountab...Chiron,<br /><br />I believe that people should be accountable for their actions. As far as the woman deciding not to appear on Bill O'Reilly's show that's her perogative, but she's giving up her chance to chastize him for what she believes he caused. My personal opinion is that Bill O'Reilly cannot be held responsible for what someone else does. Otherwise, if I write something in my book and someone goes out and do it, then I'll be held accountable for that person's action. No way do I want that to happen. It's the killer who has to be held responsible for killing the doctor. Or should everyone who believes abortion is wrong be held responsible? Just giving you something to think about, Chiron.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-41692361537851173982009-06-16T13:38:14.975-05:002009-06-16T13:38:14.975-05:00Censorship comes in many forms, it seems. Banning ...Censorship comes in many forms, it seems. Banning books or free speech is wrong, in my opinion. Yet there are those who will use this argument as an excuse to impose themselves on others in offensive ways.<br /><br />A good example is in your last blog. You mentioned that people were free to speak their minds just 'don't get nasty.' Now first off, to be clear, I agree with your completely. But in my internet experience, that comment in certain groups would be taken as a form of censorship. Seriously, as crazy as it sounds. <br /><br />I've had experience with one poster who has been repeatedly kicked out of (and then banned from) groups because he refused to 'play nice'. He'd repeatedly push at people, demand they respond to his relentless questioning of their ethics or morals or whatever had riled him up--usually something he'd taken personally which resulted in him picking apart every response in order to turn the tables on someone.<br /><br />Now the reason I bring this up is because whenever people would say, STOP, he'd cry "Censorship!" He'd usually get around to mentioning the Nazis and the "When they Came for Me there was No One Left to Object" story. <br /><br />At this point I've learned that the Big Picture is always much bigger than a simple response. I never endorse banning books yet I also recognize that there really needs to be more self-responsibility in this world of ours. Parents need to actually parent their kids and not run around freaking out because the world isn't kid-proof. Artists of all kinds need to recognize their art has an impact on others and take responsibility for that impact. I just read an article by a woman who'd decided she would no longer go on Bill O'Reilly's show because she felt that even if she was disagreeing with him, her presence was lending credibility to his show and his views. She blames him in part for the murder of the abortion doctor in the news because of his virulent attacks--calling the doctor an executioner and getting people stirred up to take action. Censoring him is wrong but then he should be held accountable for the results of his actions, right?<br /><br />As I said, it's a deep issue and hard to give a snap answer or judgment. Overall though, I do agree, censoring books is wrong. <br /><br />Whew! <br /><br />--Chiron O'Keefe <br />The Write Soul: www.chironokeefe.blogspot.comChironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03350218547511690377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-37512060305381932722009-06-15T17:17:12.475-05:002009-06-15T17:17:12.475-05:00Emily,
I totally agree with you that the parents a...Emily,<br />I totally agree with you that the parents are the ones who should help decide what a child reads and there should be safeguards for young people. <br /><br />I'm against the censorship involved in forbidding anyone to read that book regardless of the age. Books have been burned, even the Bible, for their elements of controversy. I don't agree with censorship because I think the book should be there for when an individual is ready to read it. <br /><br />When I read The Scarlet Letter in school, I'm sure I missed a lot of the nuances that I would understand today. I'm not familiar with Rabbit's Run, and I'm sorry you were forced to read something like that at a young age. I'm surprised a teacher would recommend a book like that. <br /><br />Even though parents and teachers do not always protect their kids adequately, I don't believe laws for censorship should be made even to protect the kids. The schools should be able to decide what books they will buy for their libraries. <br /><br />Again, Emily, I'm sorry for your experience. It has helped to make you feel the way you do. <br /><br />I'm not familiar withSandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-1066981758909145982009-06-15T11:10:54.738-05:002009-06-15T11:10:54.738-05:00Hi Sandy,
A very thought-provoking topic. I am ag...Hi Sandy,<br /><br />A very thought-provoking topic. I am against censorship in principle, and yet, I am just as vehemently in favor of more adult guidance for children and young people in their choice of reading material. Some things are not appropriate for children and I would argue that as a society, our age of innocence keeps getting shorter and shorter. <br /><br />John Updike's RABBIT RUN was thrust into my hands long before I was ready to read about oral sex. Yes, it's a modern classic. But it's an adult classic and I didn't have the frame of reference to realize the act was in the book to show the depths of Harry Angstrom's disconnect from his wife, who was having his child while he was coercing a hooker into this (to me, at that very naive young time in my life) incredibly bizarre sex act. <br /><br />Was it important for me to read Rabbit Run? Yes. Was it important for me to read it at that point in my life? No. <br /><br />It doesn't qualify as censorship to me if say a 12 year old has to have parental consent before checking out books with adult content. I have no problem with teenagers reading THE COLOR PURPLE or PORTNOY'S COMPLAINT, but why not do it in the context of a reading club where it could be discussed and understood on a level beyond titillation? Or with a parent's knowledge so the themes and issues in the book can be discussed?<br /><br />Someone asked me once how I raised such bright-eyed children. My answer was "I over-protect them." As a society, we do not adequately protect our kids and sadly, we cannot count on parents to do it all the time. While I'm not about to tell an adult what he/she can read, there needs to be some safeguards in place for young people.EmilyBryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03542349086762747179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-20572015173594907022009-06-15T07:46:43.470-05:002009-06-15T07:46:43.470-05:00Thanks for stopping by, Z. I appreciate your comm...Thanks for stopping by, Z. I appreciate your comment. <br /><br />Hugs,<br />SandySandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-79118942520968746832009-06-15T00:33:00.429-05:002009-06-15T00:33:00.429-05:00Hey Sandy
Great post! I have 2 words that sum it ...Hey Sandy<br /><br />Great post! I have 2 words that sum it for me - Free Will!<br /><br />We've all been gifted with free will, and no one has the right to take that fundamental concept away from us. <br /><br />Of course, I do agree we need to keep a close watch on our kids, not because we need to 'ban' some stuff from them but because there's something appropriate for every age group and that's what should be respected. For example, I wouldn't dream of letting my 11 yr-old niece fall onto an erotica book yet, though I know it would be pointless to prevent her from reading a Harlequin Presents or Tender. Blaze and Desire, lol, now that too will need to wait a few more years!<br /><br />Great post, hon!<br /><br />Hugs<br /><br />Z(Aasiyah/Nolwynn)Z(Aasiyah/Nolwynn)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07199708922659903349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-32698335783454981782009-06-14T21:22:18.059-05:002009-06-14T21:22:18.059-05:00Liena,
I agree with you that children have to be ...Liena,<br /><br />I agree with you that children have to be monitored, but that is the parent's job not the librarys, teachers or the schools job. <br /><br />Thanks for stopping by.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-61520640127514821892009-06-14T21:19:34.169-05:002009-06-14T21:19:34.169-05:00Dear Anonymous,
If I knew what all those x's ...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />If I knew what all those x's meant, I would let you know if I agreed or not. I'm going to get hold of you and shave the rest of your hair off. lol Then, you'll be a true egg head. Smile.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-50527587644437661772009-06-14T21:17:10.773-05:002009-06-14T21:17:10.773-05:00Kathryn,
I totally agree with you. I want to rea...Kathryn,<br /><br />I totally agree with you. I want to read the book and see for myself if I think it's bad. <br /><br />Thanks for leaving a comment.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-90184062867703702742009-06-14T21:15:43.806-05:002009-06-14T21:15:43.806-05:00Edie,
It's amazing what people think will hap...Edie,<br /><br />It's amazing what people think will happen if they read a book that is controversial. It makes you wonder if they read the book and thought about what it really was saying. <br /><br />Thanks, Edie, for your comment.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-22603952839105865862009-06-14T21:13:27.023-05:002009-06-14T21:13:27.023-05:00Deb,
Catcher in the Rye was a must read book when...Deb,<br /><br />Catcher in the Rye was a must read book when I was in high school. Huckberry Finn was one of my favorites,too. <br /><br />Thanks for stopping by, Deb.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-2591323007567737912009-06-14T21:10:38.047-05:002009-06-14T21:10:38.047-05:00Sandra,
I suspect some people are going to feel t...Sandra,<br /><br />I suspect some people are going to feel the same way about my next book, too. <br /><br />Thanks for coming by.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-51026111435480222282009-06-14T19:36:45.858-05:002009-06-14T19:36:45.858-05:00Great post, Sandy
Being a parent of an eleven-yea...Great post, Sandy<br /><br />Being a parent of an eleven-year-old, it is my responsibility to censor what comes my daughter' way because I am agaisnt censorship. I may not agree with someone's views or use of language but they have the right to express their opinions as long as it is done is a peaceful manner.<br /><br />That's my opinion.<br /><br />LienaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-52287289356381583602009-06-14T18:30:10.430-05:002009-06-14T18:30:10.430-05:00my thought of this is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxx...my thought of this is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<br />xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<br />xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<br />and thats how i really feel. Do you agree?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-40606304929901762992009-06-14T18:14:39.987-05:002009-06-14T18:14:39.987-05:00Hi Sandy! Looks like all the commenters are on th...Hi Sandy! Looks like all the commenters are on the same side of the fence. Book banning is right up there with mind control IMO. I prefer to see all sides of an issue--even the sides I don't agree with--in order to make an informed decision. That means being able to read the book myself and make my own decision--not have someone else make it for me.Kathryn Albrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00133422500061876841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-86070732329605032372009-06-14T18:10:07.566-05:002009-06-14T18:10:07.566-05:00Sandy, we just had right-wing religious groups in ...Sandy, we just had right-wing religious groups in a neighboring library in my county try to ban 3 YA books with homosexual content. As if they're afraid that anyone would read it and turn gay. It was voted down by the library board, but one alderman called the library a porn shop. I hope he gets voted out in the next election.Edie Ramerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17084144940233965447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-39885656208306792772009-06-14T16:53:24.129-05:002009-06-14T16:53:24.129-05:00Oh Sandy, you've hit a hot spot with a whole l...Oh Sandy, you've hit a hot spot with a whole lot of us. My first experience with censorship came in high school when the School Board wanted to stop an English teacher from presenting CATCHER IN THE RYE. I swear, every single student in our school read that book, and in record time! I didn't even think it was all that good, but I plowed through it...just to see what the big deal was. <br /><br />So, as others have pointed out, having one's book banned isn't always a bad thing. Given human nature, it will give an author more readers! :)<br /><br />BTW, my favorite banned book is THE ADVENTURES OF HUCKLEBERRY FINN. Great book!Deb Maherhttp://debmaher.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-82317531084669431502009-06-14T16:49:53.891-05:002009-06-14T16:49:53.891-05:00That's true, Anonymous.
Thanks for stopping...That's true, Anonymous. <br /><br />Thanks for stopping by.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-78221706756190651152009-06-14T16:32:31.856-05:002009-06-14T16:32:31.856-05:00I agree. Book banning is stupid. If the book off...I agree. Book banning is stupid. If the book offends, don't read it. I come from a religious , conservative family, and I fully suspect once some of my books with sex scenes are published, I'll be the black sheep LOL but I'd hate to see something I've written be banned.<br /><br />Nice post.Sandra Sookoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08864799097052526762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4156580044494347982.post-67824807809418138502009-06-14T16:20:35.677-05:002009-06-14T16:20:35.677-05:00Thanks for your comment, K.T.
Have you noticed ...Thanks for your comment, K.T. <br /><br />Have you noticed a ban on cigarettes and alcohol stopping the under 18 group. lolSandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843816981385732033noreply@blogger.com